B&M (1893) 12000 Box Cars

Boston & Maine (1893) 12000 Series Box Cars

Index

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

?

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Description 5/1903 1/1909
Length 40' 28'-40'
Width
Height
Capacity (Pounds) 40-60000 40-60000

ORER Size Data 1910-193x
Description 8/1910 2/1914 3/1914 5/1925 7/1934
M.C.B. / AAR Mechanical Designation XM (11/1914) XM XM
Inside
Dimensions Length 34'-4" 34'-4" 34'-4" 34'-4"
Width 8'-2" 8'-2" 8'-2" 8'-2"
Height 7'-1" 7'-1" 7'-1" 7'-1"
Outside
Dimensions Length 28'-40' 37'-1"
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8'-6" - 8'-9" 9'-5"
Extreme Width
Height
from
Rail To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform 12'-8"
To Top of Running Board 13'-3"
To Extreme Height 13'-10"
Door - Side
opening Width 3'-11"
Height 6'
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full 1986 1986 1986
Pounds 40-60000 40-60000 60000 40000 40000

Note these are existing cars being renumbered into a contiguous series
ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.) Car
Numbers # of
Cars Description
1893 - 04 12000-12199 (none) 8 Wheel box, 40 feet, Machinery
1893 - 05 (same)
1893 - 06 (same)
1893 - 07 (same)
1893 - 08 (same)
1894 - 03 " 10 "
1894 - 04 (same)
1894 - 05 (same)
1894 - 06 (same)
1894 - 07 (same)
1894 - 08 (same)
1895 - 06 (same)
1895 - 07 (same)
1895 - 08 (same)
1896 - 06 (same)
1896 - 07 (same)
1896 - 08 (same)
1897 - 03 (same)
1897 - 04 (same)
1897 - 05 (same)
1897 - 06 (same)
1897 - 07 (same)
1897 - 08 (same)
1897 - 09 (same)
1897 - 10 (same)
1897 - 11 (same)
1898 - 05 (same)
1899 - 01 (same)
1899 - 04 (same)
1899 - 05 (same)
1899 - 06 (same)
1899 - 09 (same)
1899 - 11 (same)
1900 - 06 (same)
1901 - 03 " 9 Box, 40 feet, Machinery
1901 - 04 " (illegible) "
1901 - 05 " (illegible) "
1901 - 06 " 9 "
1901 - 07 (same)
1901 - 08 " (illegible) "
1901 - 09 " (illegible) "
1901 - 10 " (illegible) "
1901 - 11 " (illegible) "
1903 - 03 " 9 "
1903 - 06 (same)
1903 - 07 (same)
1903 - 08 (same)
1903 - 09 " " Box, Machinery
1903 - 10 (same)
1903 - 11 (same)
1904 - 07 (same)
1904 - 12 12000-12009 9 "
1905 - 01 (same)
1905 - 03 (same)
1905 - 04 (same)
1905 - 06 " 8 "
1906 - 08 " 9 "
1907 - 03 (same)
1907 - 04 (same)
1907 - 05 (same)(?)
1907 - 06 (same)
1907 - 07 (same)
1907 - 08 " 8 "
1907 - 09 (same)
1907 - 10 (same)
1907 - 11 " 4 "
1907 - 12 " 3 "
1908 - 01 (same)
1908 - 02 (same)
1908 - 03 (same)
1908 - 04 (same)
1908 - 05 " 8 "
1908 - 08 (same)
1908 - 09 (same)
1908 - 10 " 7 "
1908 - 11 (same)
(† note: 12200-12259 series to be renumbered 12000-12099)
1908 - 12 (same)
12200-12259; 12380[nee 12390]-12399; and 12400-12409 [nee 12400-12599] renumbered into 12000-12099
1909 - 01 12000-12099 25 "
1909 - 02 " 27 "
1909 - 04 " 32 Box, Special
1909 - 05 " 33 "
1909 - 06 (same)
1909 - 07 " 34 "
1909 - 08 " 33 "
1909 - 09 " 29 "
1909 - 10 (same)
1909 - 09 " 28(?) "
1910 - 01 " 24 "
1910 - 02 (same)
1910 - 03 " 23 "
1910 - 04 " 23(?) "
1910 - 05 " 23(?) "
1910 - 06 " (illegible) "
1910 - 07 " 23 "
1910 - 08 " 23(?) "
1910 - 09 " 22 "
1910 - 11 (same)
1910 - 12 " 21 "
1911 - 02 " 20 "
1911 - 03 (same)
1911 - 04 (same)
1911 - 05 (same)
1911 - 08 " 19 "
1911 - 09 " 20 "
1911 - 10 " 19 "
1911 - 11 (same)
1911 - 12 (same)
1912 - 01 (same)
1912 - 02 (same)
1912 - 03 (same)
1912 - 04 (same)
1912 - 05 " 18 "
1912 - 06 (same)
1912 - 07 " 17? "
1912 - 09 " 21(?) "
1912 - 10 " 26? "
1912 - 11 " 25 "
1912 - 12 (same)
1913 - 01 (same)
1913 - 02 (same)
1913 - 03 " 24 "
1913 - 04 (same)
1913 - 05 " (illegible) "
1913 - 06 " 23 "
1913 - 07 (same)
1913 - 10 " 27 "
1913 - 11 (same)
1913 - 12 (same)
1914 - 01 " 26 "
1914 - 02 " 26 "
1914 - 03 " 25 "
1914 - 04 (same)
1914 - 05 (same)
1914 - 06 " 23 "
1914 - 07 (same)
1914 - 09 12000-12068 23 "
1914 - 10 " 24 "
1914 - 11 (same)
1914 - 12 12000-12038 14 "
1915 - 01 (same)
1915 - 02 (same)
1915 - 03 (same)
1915 - 04 (same)
1915 - 05 (same)
1915 - 10 (same)
1915 - 11 (same)
1915 - 12 (same)
1916 - 01 (same)
1916 - 02 (same)
1916 - 03 " 13 "
1916 - 04 (same)
1916 - 05 (same)
1916 - 06 (same)
1916 - 07 " 12 "
1916 - 08 (same)
1916 - 09 (same)
1916 - 10 (same)
1916 - 11 (same)
1916 - 12 (same)
1917 - 01 (same)
1917 - 02 " " Box, Special (NOTE 4)
1917 - 03 12000-12040 13 "
1917 - 04 (same - including NOTE 4)
1917 - 05 (same - including NOTE 4)
1917 - 06 (same - including NOTE 4)
1917 - 10 (same - including NOTE 4)
1919 - 10 12002-12038 10 Box, Special
1920 - 01 (same)
1921 - 05 12027-12038 9 "
1921 - 12 12028-12038 8 "
1922 - 08 " 7 "
1922 - 11 (same)
1923 - 02 (same)
1924 - 11 12003-12027 25 "
12035,12037 2 " [dims same except 60000 lbs capy]
1925 - 05 (same) (both rows)
1925 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1925 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1926 - 08 12003-12027 25 "
1926 - 10 (same)
1927 - 06 (same)
1927 - 08 (same)
1928 - 07 (same)
1928 - 08 (same)
1928 - 09 (same)
1928 - 10 (same)
1928 - 11 (same)
1928 - 12 (same)
1929 - 01 (same)
1929 - 02 (same)
1929 - 03 (same)
1929 - 04 (same)
1929 - 05 (same)
1929 - 06 (same)
1929 - 07 (same)
1929 - 08 (same)
1929 - 09 (same)
1929 - 10 (same)
1929 - 11 (same)
1929 - 12 (same)
1930 - 01 (same)
1930 - 02 " 24 "
1930 - 03 (same)
1930 - 04 (same)
1930 - 05 (same)
1930 - 06 (same)
1930 - 07 (same)
1930 - 08 (same)
1930 - 09 (same)
1930 - 10 (same)
1930 - 11 (same)
1930 - 12 (same)
1931 - 01 (same)
1931 - 02 (same)
1931 - 03 (same)
1931 - 04 (same)
1931 - 05 (same)
1931 - 06 (same)
1931 - 07 " "
1931 - 08 " "
1931 - 09 (same)
1931 - 10 (same)
1931 - 11 (same)
1932 - 01 (same)
1932 - 02 (same)
1932 - 03 (same)
1932 - 04 (same)
1932 - 05 (same)
1932 - 06 (same)
Switch to Bi-monthly
MTC cars listed separately from B&M cars
1932 - 07 B&M 12005-12027 17 Box, Special
MTC 12003-12018 7 Box, Special
1932 - 09 [No changes noted]
1932 - 11 [No changes noted]
1933 - 01 [No changes noted]
1933 - 03 [No changes noted]
1933 - 05 [No changes noted]
MTC cars merged back into B&M series
1933 - 07 12003-12027 24 "
1933 - 09 [No changes noted]
1933 - 11 [No changes noted]
1934 - 01 [No changes noted]
1934 - 03 [No changes noted]
1934 - 05 [No changes noted]
1934 - 07 (same)
1934 - 09 [No changes noted]
1934 - 11 [No changes noted]
1935 - 01 "Eliminated"
1935 - 03 "Eliminated"
1935 - 05 "Eliminated"
1935 - 07 Not listed

ORER Notes

ORER Note 4 (2/1917 et seq.)

12003 capy. raised to 60000 pounds

Discussion, General Notes

From the fluctuation in numbers, periodically, either new cars were built, or cars from other series converted/renumbered.
Note in 1908 the explicit renumbering of 12200-12259 and 12390[12380]-12399 series into this series
I'm not sure what happened in 1913-1914. Either dimensional "outlier" cars were retired/renumbered, or they ignored them and only listed the one set of car dimensions.
Note the "Note 4" in 1917, which implies that car was NOT 60,000 capy. until it was converted, yet all the car capacities were already listed as 60000 since 1914?!?!
Looks like more cars were renumbered into this series in 1922-1925 (or built new? - note numbers don't overlap)
When I get more data, it may become apparent there are actually several different car series glommed together into one.
B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)
Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
"U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagram
The "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)

Book page # 5 - L
B&M Diagram # 10
Diagram Date 1907
Color on Diagram Brown
Notes on Diagram End doors shown on diagram
Datum 1900 Index 1907 Index
Class of car Box Car Machinery Box Car Machinery
Length 40' 43'
Capacity 40,000-60,000 40,000-60,000
Car Numbers 12000-12009 12000-12009
Page [original] 21 10

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Car Disposition Records

Source(s)
ID Box Folder Folder name Link Title Approx.
Start date Approx.
End date
A 1 3 Freight Car List Old 10190 - 12758 Auto + Misc ? 1935?

Data
Car Number Disposition
Source ID Date Built Rebuilt
Date Disposition
Date Disposition
12038 A 1907-07 1923-07 to 48839

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning"
RR Car # /
Range Val
Sheet # Index
on Page Car Type Built
Date Builder Capy Underframe Body Notes
B&M 12002 BM-13 31 Box, Special 1892 [N/A] 60 wood wood
B&M 12003 BM-13 32 Box, Special 1893 Salem 50 wood wood
B&M 12018 BM-13 33 Box, Special 1882 [N/A] 40 wood wood
B&M 12021 BM-13 34 Box, Special 1890 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
B&M 12025 BM-13 35 Box, Special 1890 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
B&M 12026 BM-13 36 Box, Special 1890 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
B&M 12077[sic - 12027?] BM-13 37 Box, Special 1894 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12028 BM-13 38 Box, Special 1894 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12031 BM-13 39 Box, Special 1895-1896 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12032 BM-13 40 Box, Special 1895-1896 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12033 BM-13 41 Box, Special 1895-1896 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12034 BM-13 42 Box, Special 1896 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
B&M 12035 BM-13 43 Box, Special 1890 Laconia-Fitchburg 60 wood wood
B&M 12036 BM-13 44 Box, Special 1890 Laconia-Fitchburg 60 wood wood
B&M 12050 BM-13 45 Box, Special 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12054 BM-13 49 Box, Special 1895 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
B&M 12060 BM-13 46 Box, Special 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12061 BM-13 47 Box, Special 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12062 BM-13 48 Box, Special 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12063 BM-13 50 Box, Special 1908 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12064 BM-13 53 Box, Special 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 12066 BM-13 51 Box, Special 1907 AC&F 60 wood wood
B&M 12067 BM-13 52 Box, Special 1907 AC&F 60 wood wood

Paint Schemes

References or other data

Magazine/Book article(s)

Photographs

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
06-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
20-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
15-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
28-May-2020 KG Akerboom updated 10/1919
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
05-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added 9/1899 ORER data
07- thru
16-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
27-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
17-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added remaining 7/1928 - 10/1947 ORERs
04-Nov-2021 KG Akerboom Added car disposition record data
22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data