B&M 25000 Flat Cars

Boston & Maine 25000 Series Flat Cars

Index

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

?

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Dimensions 5/1903
Length 28'-31'
Width
Height
Capacity 30000-40000

ORER Size Data
Description 8/1910 2/1914 3/1914
(Flats only) 10/1914
(Flats only)
M.C.B. Designation FM (11/1914) FM
Inside
Dimensions Length 28-31' 30' 30'
Width 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8"
Height 7'-10" [typo?] (1)
Outside
Dimensions Length 28-31' 28-31' 30' 30'
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8' to 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8"
Extreme Width
Height
from
Rail To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
Door - Side
opening Width
Height
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full
Pounds 30 to 40000 40000 40000 40000

(1) - probably a typo, the inside height should ONLY apply to the "wood rack" variants in this series (as shown, this was later corrected)

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.) Car
Numbers # of
Cars Description
1903 - 05 25000-25499 413 Flat
1903 - 06 " 409 "
1903 - 07 " 398 "
1903 - 08 (same)?
1903 - 09 " 391 "
1903 - 10 " 389 "
1903 - 11 " 388 "
1904 - 07 " 360 "
1904 - 12 " 339 "
1905 - 01 " 335 "
1905 - 03 " 328 "
1905 - 04 " 327 "
1905 - 06 " 320 "
1906 - 08 " 275 "
1907 - 03 " 239 " ‡ note
1907 - 04 " 235 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 05 " 231 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 06 " 224 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 07 " 221 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 08 " 218 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 09 " 215? " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 10 " 215 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 11 " 209 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 12 " 206 " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 01 " 204 " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 02 " (illegible) " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 03 " 200 " (no ‡ note)
1908 - 04 " 197 "
1908 - 05 " 195 "
1908 - 08 " 191 "
1908 - 09 " 190 "
1908 - 10 " 186? "
1908 - 11 " 185 "
1908 - 12 " 184 "
1909 - 01 " 178 "
1909 - 02 " 175 "
1909 - 04 " 172 "
1909 - 05 " 171 "
1909 - 06 (same)
1909 - 07 " 158 "
1909 - 08 " 156 "
1909 - 09 (same)
1909 - 10 " 154 "
1909 - 11 (same)
1910 - 01 " 149 "
1910 - 02 " 148 "
1910 - 03 " 146 "
1910 - 04 " 145 "
1910 - 05 (same)
1910 - 06 " (illegible) "
1910 - 07 " 142 "
1910 - 08 " 139 "
1910 - 09 " 136 "
1910 - 11 " 132 "
1910 - 12 " 130 "
1911 - 02 " 127 "
1911 - 03 " 124 "
1911 - 04 (same)
1911 - 05 " 122 "
1911 - 08 " 119 "
1911 - 09 (same)
1911 - 10 (same)
1911 - 11 " 117 "
1911 - 12 " 116 "
1912 - 01 " 114 "
1912 - 02 " 113 "
1912 - 03 (same)
1912 - 04 " 112 "
1912 - 05 " 110 "
1912 - 06 " 109 "
1912 - 07 " 109? "
1912 - 08 " 109 "
1912 - 09 " 107 "
1912 - 10 " 105 "
1912 - 11 " 103 "
1912 - 12 " 108 "
1913 - 01 " 101 "
1913 - 02 " 102 "
1913 - 03 " 100 "
1913 - 04 " 93 "
1913 - 05 " (illegible) "
1913 - 06 " 92 "
1913 - 07 " 89 "
1913 - 10 " 78 "
1913 - 11 " 74 "
1913 - 12 (same)
1914 - 01 " 71 "
1914 - 02 " 70 "
1914 - 03 25007-25498 35 Wood Racks (ORER note 1)
25007-25498 30 Flat (ORER note 2)
For the rest of this web page, I will be ignoring the wood rack data - see "Misc 25007" series for that data
1914 - 04 " 30 Flat (ORER note 2)
1914 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 09 " 63[?] " [??]
1914 - 10 " 30 Flat (ORER note 2)
1914 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 12 " 29? Flat (ORER note 2)
1915 - 01 " 28? Flat (ORER note 2)
1915 - 02 " 28 Flat (ORER note 2)
1915 - 03 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 12 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 01 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 02 " 27 " (including note 2)
1916 - 03 " 26 " (including note 2)
1916 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 05 " 25 " (including note 2)
1916 - 06 " 23 " (including note 2)
1916 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 08 " 22 " (including note 2)
1916 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 12 " 22 " (including note 2)
1917 - 01 " 21 " (including note 2)
1917 - 02 " 21 " (including note 2)
1917 - 03 " 20 " (including note 2)
1917 - 04 " 19 " (including note 2)
1917 - 05 " 18 " (including note 2)
1917 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 10 " 13 " (including note 2)
1917 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 10 25016-25436 13 " (including note 2)
1920 - 01 " 14 " (including note 2)
1921 - 05 25215-25509 6 " [no note]
1921 - 12 25399,25436 2 Flat
1922 - 08 25436 1 "
1922 - 11 (same)
1923 - 02 (same)
1924 - 11 (same)
1925 - 05 (same)
1925 - 07 (same)
1925 - 10 (same)
1926 - 08 Not listed

ORER Notes

‡ note (3/1907 - 2/1908)

A few cars in these series are of different lengths but will be renumbered when they go through the shops.

Note 1 (3/1914)

see 25007-25498 (list of car numbers with wood racks)

Note 2 (3/1914 - 10/1919 )

NOTE: As I don't have ORERs 11/1919-10/1922, those are listed with "?". Data below is "known" data as of this time
Flat Cars - all are first listed 3/1914
Car # Last Listed
1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919 1920-1922 1923+
25022 → → → → → 10 ?
25026 → → → 11 ? (before 10/19)
25027 → → 2
25055 → → → 2
25058 → → 4
25069 → → → 3
25088 → → 5
25103 → → → → → 10 ?
25133 11
25147 12
25171 → → → 6
25182 → → → 6
25215 → → → → → 10 ?
25221 → → → 6
25226 → → → 6
25235 → → 5
25258 → → → → → 10 ?
25259 → → → → → 10 ?
25268 → → 7
25304 → → → 11 ? (before 10/19)
25305 → → → → → 10 ?
25312 → → 12
25323 → → → → → 10 ?
25343 → → → 4
25360 → → → 11 ? (before 10/19)
25381 → → → 6
25406 → → 1
25431 → → → 11 ? (before 10/19)
25436 → → → → → → → 5/1925 or later
25498 → → → 11 ? (before 10/19)

Discussion, General Notes

I believe the cars in this series are a renumbering from the (1893) 25025-26999 series cars.
3/1914 - As the dimensions changed, I am not sure if these are new cars, rebuilds, or just re-dimensions of existing cars.
B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)
Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
"U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagram
The "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)

Book page # 24 - L
B&M Diagram # 46
Diagram Date 1907
Color on Diagram Brown
Notes on Diagram
Datum 1900 Index 1907 Index
Class of car Flat Car Flat Car
Length 28'-32' 28'-31' [diagram says 28'-32']
Capacity 20,000-40,000 30,000-40,000
Car Numbers 25000-26099 25000-25499
Page [original] 48 46

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Acquisition Books (1898 - 1917 only)

Volume number refers original book number
Page numbers refer to numbers on pages in original book, NOT to pages in PDF file(s)
Dates refer to first/last dates expenses were recorded in the acquisition book, NOT to car delivery dates

Car Number(s) Vol Page First
Date Last
Date Builder $ / Car Notes
25499 2 52 1911-08 1911-09 $271 From Cochrane Chemical Co.
25301 2 65 1912-09 - $225 32', from B [J?] Brown

Car Books (1923-06 thru 1936-10, then 1944-05 thru 1960-03)

Volume number refers original book number
Part number refers to PDF file part as posted on B&MRRHS site
Page numbers refer to pages in PDF file(s) (L/R = Left or Right side of that PDF page)

Car Number(s) Vol Part Page Date Action Location New # Notes
25436 1 3 8 1922-11-11 Destroyed

Car Disposition Records

Source(s) (ID scope is for this web page only)
ID Box Folder Folder name Link Title Approx.
Start date Approx.
End date
A 1 5 Coal Cars 25397-25874 Flat - “A” 1921? 1925?

Data
Car Number Disposition
Source ID Date Built Disposition
Date Disposition New Car #
25397 A 1881-05 1921-04 to 3395

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning"
RR Car # Val
Sheet # Index
on Page Car Type Built
Date Builder Capy Underframe Body Notes
M&L 25026 [ML-1] 15 Flat 1888 [N/A] 40 wood wood
M&L 25027 [ML-1] 16 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood wood
B&M 25055 BM-16 8 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25069 BM-16 9 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25070 BM-16 10 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25088 BM-16 11 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25088 BM-16 15 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood
B&M 25103 BM-16 12 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25133 BM-16 16 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood
B&M 25147 BM-16 13 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25171 BM-16 14 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&L 25221 [BL-3] 22 Flat pre-1892 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25258 [BL-3] 23 Flat pre-1896 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25259 [BL-3] 24 Flat pre-1886 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25268 [BL-3] 25 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25304 [BL-3] 26 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25312 [BL-3] 27 Flat pre-1902 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25323 [BL-3] 28 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25343 [BL-3] 29 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25360 [BL-3] 30 Flat pre-1890 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25406 [BL-3] 31 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25431 [BL-3] 32 Flat 1895 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&M 25498 BM-16 17 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood

Paint Schemes

References or other data

Magazine/Book article(s)

Photographs

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Date Quantity New Numbers Description
3/1914 35 25007-25498 Specific cars converted to Wood Racks
Other than 3/1914, these will be covered as a separate series

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
28-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
22-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
07-May-2020 KG Akerboom Reformatted "Flat car" table
15-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
28-May-2020 KG Akerboom updated 10/1919
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru
16-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
17-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added Car Book Data
28-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
04-Jul-2021 KG Akerboom Reorganized Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data (Car # to 1st column, 2nd/other changes to new rows)
24-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added car disposition record data
22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data