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GATX/Airslide at East Chicago plant [also B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 18.]
Lot #
8441
8436
Car Numbers
B&M 5820-5829
GACX 47744-47763 (note lot had cars #s to 47773, but 47764-47773 were not sold/leased/whatever to B&M)
to B&M 5830-5849 in 1980
Quantity
10
30 total built in lot, 20 to B&M
Build Date
Dec 1978
Jan-Feb 1977
AAR class
LO
Description
2 bay Airslide
Cubic Cap'y
4180 Cu. Ft.
ORER data and numbers
ORER Size Data
Description
4/1979
7/1989
AAR Mechanical Designation
LO
LO
Inside Dimensions
Length
48'-11"
Width
9'-11"
Height
Outside Dimensions
Length
54'-1"
54'-1"
Width
At Eaves or top of sides or platform
10'-2"
10'-2"
Extreme Width
10'-7"
10'-7"
Height from Rail
To Extreme Width
13'-5"
13'-5"
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
13'-11"
13'-11"
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
14'-6"
14'-6"
Door - Side opening
Width
Height
Capacity
Cu Ft. Level Full
4180
4180
Pounds
194000
194000
ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.)
Car Numbers
# of Cars
Description
1979 - 04
5820-5829
10
Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1979 - 07
(same)
1979 - 10
(same)
1980 - 01
(same)
1980 - 04
(same)
1980 - 07
(same)
1980 - 10
5820-5849
30
Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1981 - 01
"
"
Covered Hopper, Airslide
1981 - 04
(same)
1981 - 07
(same)
1981 - 10
(same)
1982 - 01
(same)
1982 - 04
(same)
1982 - 07
(same)
1982 - 10
(same)
1983 - 01
(same)
1983 - 05
(same)
1983 - 07
5820-5849
20
Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5820,5821-5829
10
Covered Hopper
1983 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1984 - 01
5820-5849
20
Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-5829
9
Covered Hopper
1984 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1984 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1984 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1985 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1985 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1985 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1985 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1986 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1986 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1986 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1986 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1987 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1987 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1987 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1987 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1988 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1988 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1988 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1988 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1989 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1989 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1989 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1989 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1990 - 01
5820-5849
12
Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-22;5824-25;5827-29
7
Covered Hopper
1990 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1990 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1990 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1991 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1991 - 04
(same) (both rows)
1991 - 07
(same) (both rows)
1991 - 10
(same) (both rows)
1992 - 01
(same) (both rows)
1992 - 04
5820-5849
7
Covered Hopper, Airslide
1992 - 07
(same)
1992 - 10
(same)
1993 - 01
(same)
1993 - 04
Not listed
ORER Notes
Note 1 (4/1979 - )
Cars are owned by General American Transportation Corporation. Reports of cars damaged or destroyed, bills for repairs or requests for materials needed for repairs
should be sent to General American Transportation Corporation representative as listed in The Official Railway Equipment Register
Cars 5830-49 ex-GACX cars, built 1/1977. Car 5835 has red, white, black, and green "Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day" scheme.
...
used in grain and feed service
Per B&M RR documents, Mike Clements Collection: Letter dated 05-Oct-1979 (from AG Dustin) (PDF page 26) - the B&M sub-leased these airslides from Revere Sugar.
[as the date of the letter doesn't match either number change in the ORER, I'm not sure which group of cars it applies to - the first 10, the later 20, or all 30]
Second letter (dated 24-Jun-1980)(PDF pp 22-23) covers "Revere cars which have been or will be restencilled as the 5830 - 5849 series"
Given the different GATX lot numbers, etc. it is likely the ex-Revere Sugar cars are only the last 20 cars
GATX Contract 6685. "St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. advises car at their shop for inspection... Due to high cost of repair, car is considered scrapped"
5821 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
10
05-Nov-1981
Letter about initial set up of pool
includes text that the N&W would refuse to handle this car as they had a surplus of airslides on-line, and Tennant & Hoyt had recently released similar N&W cars from the pool.
5821 - pool info
Shipper
Tennant & Hoyt
Location
Lake City, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator
Route
B&M-(McV)-D&H-(Bflo)-C&O-(Chgo)-Milw
Commodity
Flour
Destination
Lewiston, ME
I am told the most likely routing on the C&O would be via trackage rights on the CN to Detroit then the ex-PM route to Chicago
5830 - 5834 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
34
27-May-1980
From P&PU agreeing to accept these cars in pool service
33
11-Jun-1980
From B&M to Conrail if they will handle empties
28,29,31,32
23-Jun-1980
From Conrail to B&M - Conrail will handle initial empty move "free of charge"
Note pp 31-32 are truncated copies of wires on p29. p28 is just a cover letter for p29
30
24-Jun-1980
[internal memo?] stating Conrailfinally came to terms
19
07-Oct-1981
From [CPC?] advising Pekin plant closing, last shipment 05-Oct.
Cars to be shifted to Argo, IL plant (served by BRC, BOCT, IHB)
Adds cars GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 [Groton service] to correspondence
18
22-Oct-1981
From CPC - 2nd letter about shift from Pekin to Argo
17
[undated?]
hard to read, but it appears to be a note about the cars in this service and their current locations
16
29-Oct-1981
From B&M, to ICG (& others) - same change in service
15
03-Nov-1981
From BRC to B&M - BRC is OK with change
14
03-Nov-1981
From IHB to B&M - IHB is OK with change
Also handwritten notes about car locations?
P&PU = Peoria and Pekin Union Ry
BRC = Belt Ry of Chicago
BOCT = B&O Chicago Terminal RR
IHB = Indiana Harbor Belt
5835-5838 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
37, 38
17-May-1980
Chessie agreeable to accept [4 cars] for AE Staley service
[upside-down wire for 5839 - see p39]
[looks to me like p37 = p38]
36
28-May-1980
NW agreeable to accept [4 cars - note 5837 listed twice] for AE Staley service
35
06-Jun-1980
"Stop this car" form - hold 5835?
5835-5838 - pool info
Shipper
AE Staley
Location
Decatur, IL
UMLER Pool
9980003
Pool Operator
B&O
Route
Joint BO - ICG - NW [?]
or BM - (McV) - DH - (Bflo) - NW
Commodity
Starch
Destination
5839 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
41
12-Jun-1980
From Milw to B&M - Milw does not need this car at this time
40
20-Jun-1980
From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39
25-Jun-1980
From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39
25-Jun-1980
From D&H to B&M - D&H will handle car [for free?] from Mechanicville to N&W Buffalo
13
17-Jul-1980
From NW to B&M - agree to handle empty.
Car going to Lithcote at Muscatine for cleaning prior to delivery to Grain Processing
5839 - pool info
Shipper
Grain Processing
Location
Muscatine, IA
UMLER Pool
1402324
Pool Operator
MILW
Route
MILW - NW - DH - BM
Commodity
Starch
Destination
"in New England"
5840-5841 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
42 (top)
?
From: [CNW?], to: BM - 5840 & 5841 assigned to this service
42 (mid)
12-Jun-1980
From: BM, to: CNW - BM 5840/5841 available for assignment to this customer
42 (bot)
25-Jun-1980
From: BM, to: NW - Cars en-route to this assignment
Please arrange to intercept and deliver to BOCT or IHB for General American Transportation Corp. for cleaning.
When released [from GATC] please forward to Cedar Rapids
44 (top)
?20-Jun-1980?
From B&M to NW - will you handle empty?
44 (bot)
?20-Jun-1980?
From B&M to DH - will you handle empty?
43 (top)
23-Jun-1980
From DH to B&M - DH agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
43 (bot)
23-Jun-1980
From NW to B&M - NW agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
1
?14?-Sep-?
From Conrail[?] to B&M - Released from Cedar Rapids (CNW) assignment, have been loaded east destination Newton Falls, NY
Cars now unassigned, please protect return of both cars when empty
5840-5841 - pool info
Shipper
Cargill
Location
Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool
13150008
Pool Operator
C&NW
Route
BM - DH - NW - CNW
Commodity
Starch
Destination
[?] of Maine
5842-5843 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
48
06-May-1980
from: P&F, to: CRANDIC - B&M Assigning 5842 & 5843 to P&N fleet, would you accept resposibility for home yard for this addition?, also register in CRANDIC UMLER file?
47
12-Jun-1980
from: B&M, to: CRANDIC - B&M has 2 hoppers for assignment
46
23-Jun-1980
from: CRANDIC, to: B&M - Crandic agreeable to accepting 5842-5843
45
25-Jun-1980
[internal memo?] Crandic agreeable, please advise service route so cars can get into service.
5842-5843 - pool info
Shipper
Penick & Ford
Location
Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool
1110014
Pool Operator
CIC
Route
Commodity
Destination
CIC = CRANDIC (Cedar Rapids and Iowa City Railway)
5844-5845 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
53
21-May-1980
From ADM to MILW - ADM requested additional equipment from B&M for Minneapolis, MN assignment
50-51
9/17-Jun-1980
Cover page & letter from MILW to ADM - letting ADM know proper procedure/contact
52
10-Jun-1980
From ADM to BM - see attached letter re: BM cars 5844-5845
49
24-Jun-1980
From BM to ADM - asking for clarifications
20
08-Jul-1980
[internal memo] - arrange emtpy car transit, also clean cars as last loading was sugar
5844-5845 - pool info
Shipper
ADM
Location
Red Wing, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator
MILW
Route
MILW - (Chicago) - NW - DH - BM - MEC
Commodity
Flour
Destination
Nissen Baking, Brewer, ME
5846-5847 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
54
11-Jun-1980
From DH to BM - DH will handle empty to Buffalo for per diem and milage first load only
5846-5847 - pool info
Shipper
International Multifoods
Location
Buffalo, NY
UMLER Pool
1903910
Pool Operator
CR
Route
BM-DH
Commodity
Destination
Data available for one point in time only:
5846 - Nissen, Portland (24-Jun-1980)
5847 - Dreikorn, Holyoke (23-Jun-1980)
5848-5849 - correspondence
PDF Page
Date
Notes
27
17-Jun-1980
from BM to P&PU - Replace GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 with BM5848 - 5849
GATX cars will be used for on-line assignment [see 5830-5834 above!]
23
24-Jun-1980
[internal memo] - GATX cars to be used for Amstar
"unaware of the actual existance of 5848 and 5849 to date" [!]
21
25-Jun-1980
[internal memo] - RE: above swap - we have no record of GATX cars on-line and no record of service history, etc.
5848-5849 - pool info
Shipper
CPC
Location
Peoria (Pekin), IL
UMLER Pool
6450008? (GATX cars currently 9980033)
Pool Operator
P&PU? (or PTC?)
Route
?
Commodity
?
Destination
?
Paint Schemes
As delivered
all-grey (including underframe). ? trucks. Black lettering, no herald.
B&MRRHS Modelers Notes Issue No. included in "page" column
No 18 p7
5841?
?Mis-identified as 3841?
1985
X
B
2H
Very dark print, hard to see.
B&MRRHS photos
5835
Y
X
B
BM
G
G
N
N
3
N
N
N
Prince Spagetti
"Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day"
Railroad Picture Archives (as of 10-Apr-2020)
Go to "By Railroad", then "Fallen Flags", then "BM" Boston & Maine section
Then "Rolling Stock Roster" → "Photographed" link, then page thru for car number
BM 5825
5825
1990-08-19
Y
X
p
BM
G
G
N
N
2H
N
N
original
original
Fallen Flags and Other Railroad Photos (as of 15-Apr-2020)
Scroll down to the "B" section, click on the "Boston & Maine (B&M)" link
Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listed
Produced in the mid 1980s. I'm not sure if ever factory painted for B&M
B&MRRHS did some custom decorated cars for the B&M (including "Prince Spaghetti")
HO
Tangent
16038-01
5830
plain gray
released ?2019?, still available Dec, 2020
(See links in "Photos" section for Tangent's web site)
HO
Tangent
16038-02
5839
plain gray
released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO
Tangent
16038-03
5846
plain gray
released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO
Tangent
16039-01
5835
"Prince Spaghetti"
released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
N
Delaware Valley [Freight Car Co?]
?
?
unknown
produced circa 1990. Unknown accuracy. Unknown if they ever made decorated any for the B&M
Scale Trains also has a 4180 cu ft Airslide. Most decorations sold out, one still available Dec 2020. Unknown accuracy for B&M cars.
Available in both "Rivet Counter" and "Operator" lines.
Revision History
File History for THIS page
Date
Who
Description
31-Dec-2019
KG Akerboom
Initial release
17-Mar-2020
KG Akerboom
Standardized Don Clerke "source" link
29-Mar-2020
KG Akerboom
Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020
KG Akerboom
Re-did references/photos section
16-Apr-2020
KG Akerboom
Added more web sites: B&MRRHS Flickr, Fallen Flags, NMRA Archives, Earl Tuson. Also Scott Whitney (NMRO) CDs
23-Apr-2020
KG Akerboom
Updated per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39
05-May-2020
KG Akerboom
Moved ORER notes into separate section
07-Jul-2020
KG Akerboom
Added Eric Neubauer - General American Car Production List - 4180 and 4566 c.f. (Dec. 2015 "Car of the month") data
09-Jul-2020
KG Akerboom
Added Tangent Models photos
21-Jul-2020
KG Akerboom
"Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
05-Aug-2020
KG Akerboom
Added Eric Neubauer data
07- thru 16-Aug-2020
KG Akerboom
Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
