B&M 40800 Box, Ice Cars

Boston & Maine 40800 Series Box, Ice Cars

Index

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

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ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Description 5/1903
Length 34' to 35'
Width
Height
Capacity (Pounds) 60000

ORER Size Data
Description 8/1910 Value 2/1914 3/1914 10/1919 5/1925 12/1930
M.C.B. Designation XM XM XM XM
Inside
Dimensions Length 34 to 35' 35'-10" 35'-10½" 35'-10½" 36' 36'
Width 8'-4" 8'-4" 8'-3" 8'-3" 8'-3" 8'-3"
Height … 7'-9¾" 6'-9½" 6'-9½" 6'-9½" 6'-9"
Outside
Dimensions Length 35'-9" to 36'-9" 36'-9" 35'-9" 35'-9" 36'-9" 36'-9"
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 9'-4" 9'-4" 9'-4" 9'-4" 9'-4" 9'-4"
Extreme Width
Height
from
Rail To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
Door - Side
opening Width 5'-9"(4/1915) 5'-9" 5'-9" 5'-9"
Height 7'-7"(4/1915) 7'-7" 7'-7" 7'-7"
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full 1898 2010 2010 2010
Pounds 60000 60000 60000 60000 60000 60000

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.) Car
Numbers # of
Cars Description
1901 - 03 40800-40841 41 Box, Ice, 34', 40000 lbs capacity
1901 - 04 (same)
1901 - 05 (same)
1901 - 06 (same)
1901 - 07 40800-40899 " "
1901 - 08 (same)
1901 - 09 " (illegible) "
1901 - 10 " 41 "
1901 - 11 " (illegible) "
1903 - 03 " 53 Box, Ice, 34', 40 and 60000 lbs capacity
1903 - 05 40800-40899 53 Box, Ice
1903 - 06 (same)
1903 - 07 (same)
1903 - 08 (same)
1903 - 09 (same)
1903 - 10 (same)
1903 - 11 (same)
1904 - 07 (same)
1904 - 12 (same)
1905 - 01 (same)
1905 - 03 (same)
1905 - 04 " (illegible) "
1905 - 06 (same)
1906 - 08 " 116 "
1907 - 03 " 53 "
1907 - 04 " (illegible) "
1907 - 05 " 53 "
1907 - 06 (same)
1907 - 07 (same)
1907 - 08 (same)
1907 - 09 (same)
1907 - 10 (same)
1907 - 11 (same)
1907 - 12 (same)
1908 - 01 (same)
1908 - 02 (same)
1908 - 03 (same)
1908 - 04 (same)
1908 - 05 (same)
1908 - 08 (same)
1908 - 09 (same)
1908 - 10 (same)
1908 - 11 " 58 "
1908 - 12 (same)
1909 - 01 (same)
1909 - 02 (same) (or 53 ?)
1909 - 04 (same)
1909 - 05 (same)
1909 - 06 (same)
1909 - 07 (same)
1909 - 08 " 78 "
1909 - 09 (same)
1909 - 10 (same)
1909 - 11 (same)
1910 - 01 (same)
1910 - 02 (same)
1910 - 03 (same)
1910 - 04 (same)
1910 - 05 (same)
1910 - 06 " (illegible) "
1910 - 07 " 78 "
1910 - 08 (same)
1910 - 09 (same)
1910 - 11 (same)
1910 - 12 (same)
1911 - 02 (same)
1911 - 03 (same)
1911 - 04 (same)
1911 - 05 (same)
1911 - 08 (same)
1911 - 09 (same)
1911 - 10 (same)
1911 - 11 (same)
1911 - 12 (same)
1912 - 01 (same)
1912 - 02 (same)
1912 - 03 (same)
1912 - 04 (same)
1912 - 05 (same)
1912 - 06 (same)
1912 - 07 (same)
1912 - 08 (same)
1912 - 09 (same)
1912 - 10 " 78? "
1912 - 11 " 78 "
1912 - 12 (same)
1913 - 01 (same)
1913 - 02 (same)
1913 - 03 (same)
1913 - 04 (same)
1913 - 05 " (illegible) "
1913 - 06 " 75 "
1913 - 07 (same)
1913 - 10 " 74 "
1913 - 11 (same)
1913 - 12 (same)
1914 - 01 (same)
1914 - 02 (same)
1914 - 03 40800-40877 (illegible) "
1914 - 04 " (illegible) "
1914 - 05 " 74 "
1914 - 06 (same)
1914 - 07 (same)
1914 - 09 " 72 "
1914 - 10 " (illegible) "
1914 - 11 " 72 "
1914 - 12 " 72? "
1915 - 01 " 72 "
1915 - 02 (same)
1915 - 03 (same)
1915 - 04 (same)
1915 - 05 (same)
1915 - 10 (same)
1915 - 11 " 70 "
1915 - 12 (same)
1916 - 01 (same)
1916 - 02 " 69 "
1916 - 03 " (illegible) "
1916 - 04 " 69 "
1916 - 05 (same)
1916 - 06 (same)
1916 - 07 (same)
1916 - 08 (same)
1916 - 09 (same)
1916 - 10 (same)
1916 - 11 (same)
1916 - 12 (same)
1917 - 01 (same)
1917 - 02 " 68 "
1917 - 03 (same)
1917 - 04 (same)
1917 - 05 (same)
1917 - 06 (same)
1917 - 10 " 66 "
1917 - 11 (same)
1919 - 10 " 65 "
1920 - 01 (same)
1921 - 05 40801-40877 50 "
1921 - 12 " 47 "
1922 - 08 " 45 "
1922 - 11 " 43 "
1923 - 02 " 39 "
1924 - 11 40803-40877 32 "
1925 - 05 " 28 "
1925 - 07 40845-40877 25 "
1925 - 10 40853-40877 23 "
1926 - 10 " 22 "
1926 - 08 (same)
1927 - 06 (same)
1927 - 08 (same)
1928 - 07 " 17 "
1928 - 08 " 16 "
1928 - 09 (same)
1928 - 10 (same)
1928 - 11 (same)
1928 - 12 " 14 "
1929 - 01 (same)
1929 - 02 " 13 "
1929 - 03 " 12 "
1929 - 04 (same)
1929 - 05 (same)
1929 - 06 " 11 "
1929 - 07 (same)
1929 - 08 " 9 "
1929 - 09 (same)
1929 - 10 40853-40870 8 "
1929 - 11 (same)
1929 - 12 (same)
1930 - 01 (same)
1930 - 02 (same)
1930 - 03 (same)
1930 - 04 (same)
1930 - 05 (same)
1930 - 06 (same)
1930 - 07 (same)
1930 - 08 (same)
1930 - 09 " 7 "
1930 - 10 (same)
1930 - 11 (same)
1930 - 12 (same)
1931 - 01 (same)
1931 - 02 (same)
1931 - 03 (same)
1931 - 04 (same)
1931 - 05 (same)
1931 - 06 (same)
1931 - 07 (same)
1931 - 08 (same)
1931 - 09 (same)
1931 - 10 (same)
1931 - 11 (same)
1932 - 01 (same)
1932 - 02 (same)
1932 - 03 (same)
1932 - 04 (same)
1932 - 05 (same)
1932 - 06 (same)
Switch to Bi-monthly
1932 - 07 40854-40870 5 "
1932 - 09 [no changes noted]
1932 - 11 [no changes noted]
1933 - 01 [no changes noted]
1933 - 03 [no changes noted]
1933 - 05 [no changes noted]
1933 - 07 (same)
1933 - 09 [no changes noted]
1933 - 11 [no changes noted]
1934 - 01 [no changes noted]
1934 - 03 [no changes noted]
1934 - 05 [no changes noted]
1934 - 07 40854-40867 4 "
1934 - 09 [no changes noted]
1934 - 11 [no changes noted]
1935 - 01 [no changes noted]
1935 - 03 [no changes noted]
1935 - 05 [no changes noted]
1935 - 07 Not listed

ORER Notes

Discussion, General Notes

From Eric Neubauer Laconia data, the following cars were built by Laconia:

40853-40877 (25 cars, 60,000 lbs, built 1907, Laconia Order # 478 (bodies) and 479 (trucks)
40800-40852 are former Fitchburg RR cars

From Eric Neubauer Laconia data, the following cars were listed in the USRA valuation survey, 6/30/1914:
[see ICC valuation data below]
B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)
Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
"U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagram
The "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)

Book page # 12 - L
B&M Diagram # 23
Diagram Date 1907
Color on Diagram Brown
Notes on Diagram "odd" sliding door in diagram (old style similar to plug doors?)
"Fitted for ice" painted on door
"Pure Ice Fresh Pond Ice Company Brookline and Somerville" on right end of car side, with note:
This stencil was applied to 25 cars 36' inside, 60,000 lbs capacity, Nos. 40853-40877 inclusive, color, white"
Datum 1900 Index 1907 Index
Class of car Box Car Ice Box Car Flush door, Ice
Length 34' 34', 35'-36'
Capacity 40,000 60,000 [on diagram, it has 40,000 and 60,000]
Car Numbers 40800-40841 40800-40852
Page [original] 12 23

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Acquisition Books (1898 - 1917 only)

Volume number refers original book number
Page numbers refer to numbers on pages in original book, NOT to pages in PDF file(s)
Dates refer to first/last dates expenses were recorded in the acquisition book, NOT to car delivery dates

Car Number(s) Vol Page First
Date Last
Date Builder $ / Car Notes
40853-40877 1 104 1905-12 1907-05 Laconia Car Co. $834

Car Books (1923-06 thru 1936-10, then 1944-05 thru 1960-03)

Volume number refers original book number
Part number refers to PDF file part as posted on B&MRRHS site
Page numbers refer to pages in PDF file(s) (L/R = Left or Right side of that PDF page)

Car Number(s) Vol Part Page Date Action Location New # Notes
40819 1 2 8 1924-06-05 Destroyed
40847 1 3 8 1925-03-02 Destroyed

Car Disposition Records

Source(s) (ID scope is for this web page only)
ID Box Folder Folder name Link Title Approx.
Start date Approx.
End date
A 2 1 Boxcars 40000 40200-46755 Box 1927? 1935

Data
Car Number Disposition
Source ID Date Built Rebuilt
Date Disposition
Date Disposition
40853 A 1907-01 1932-05 Retired
40854 A 1907-01 1935-02 Retired
40855 A 1907-01 1930-07 Destroyed
40856 A 1907-01 1920-01 1935-02 Retired
40859 A 1907-01 1929-08 Sold for Scrap
40861 A 1907-01 1929-06 Sold for Scrap
40862 A 1907-01 1928-10 Sold for Scrap
40863 A 1907-01 1928-12 Sold for Scrap
40864 A 1907-01 1920-01 1935-02 Retired
40865 A 1907-01 1928-10 Sold for Scrap
40866 A 1907-01 1929-04 Sold for Scrap
40867 A 1907-01 1935-02 Retired
40868 A 1907-01 1928-06 Sold for Scrap
40869 A 1907-01 1932-05 Retired
40870 A 1907-01 1933-09 Retired
40874 A 1907-01 1928-03 Sold for Scrap
40875 A 1907-01 1921-04 1928-12 Sold for Scrap
40877 A 1907-01 1929-06 Sold for Scrap

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning"
RR Car # /
Range Val
Sheet # Index
on Page Car Type Built
Date Builder Capy Underframe Body Notes
Fitch 40800-40820 F-8 108 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40822 F-8 112 Box, Ice 1888 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40823-40824 F-8 109 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40825 F-8 113 Box, Ice 1888 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40826 F-8 110 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40828 F-8 114 Box, Ice 1888 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40829-40835 F-8 106 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 40836 F-8 115 Box, Ice 1892-1896 Fitchburg/Laconia 60 wood wood
Fitch 40838-40839 F-8 111 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 60 wood wood
Fitch 40840 F-8 107 Box, Ice 1888-1892 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 40841-40842 F-8 116 Box, Ice 1892-1896 Fitchburg/Laconia 60 wood wood
Fitch 40845-40852 F-8 117 Box, Ice 1892-1896 Fitchburg/Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 40853-40856 BM-15 128 Ice 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 40857-40874 BM-15 132 Ice 1907 Laconia 60 composite wood
B&M 40858-40871 BM-15 129 Ice 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 40873 BM-15 130 Ice 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood
B&M 40875-40877 BM-15 131 Ice 1907 Laconia 60 wood wood

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References or other data

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Photographs

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
08-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
23-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
30-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Fixed 3/1905 data
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
16-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
28-May-2020 KG Akerboom updated 10/1919
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru
16-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
12-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer Laconia build data
17-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added Car Book Data
27-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
04-Jul-2021 KG Akerboom Reorganized Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data (Car # to 1st column, 2nd/other changes to new rows)
19-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added remaining 7/1928 - 10/1947 ORERs
26-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added car disposition record data
22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data